Bear Bull Traders
Overview
Bear Bull Traders (BBT) is Andrew Aziz's day trading community and education platform, centred around a live chatroom where Aziz and other moderators trade US equities in real time. Aziz is the author of "How to Day Trade for a Living," one of the best-selling day trading books of the past decade, which serves as both the intellectual foundation and the marketing funnel for the service. BBT competes directly with Investors Underground (#17) for the day trading chatroom market, with VWAP and Opening Range Breakout (ORB) strategies as the core methodology.
How It Works
The chatroom is the primary product, active during US market hours. Aziz and experienced moderators call out trade setups, entries, exits, and analysis in real time. The methodology revolves around two core strategies: VWAP (Volume Weighted Average Price) trades, where price interaction with the session VWAP determines entry direction, and ORB (Opening Range Breakout) trades, where the first 5-15 minutes of trading establish a range and breakouts from that range are traded.
The educational component includes Aziz's course material, which walks through both strategies in detail with chart examples, risk management rules, and psychological preparation. The education is more structured than Investors Underground's approach, with clear progression from concept to practice.
Like all chatroom services, signal clarity suffers from the conversational format. Ideas are shared as live commentary, not structured alerts. A typical call might be "watching TSLA for VWAP rejection, entry around 245 if it cracks, stop 246" — which requires the subscriber to be present, alert, and fast enough to act. There is no after-the-fact alert system for trades called during the session.
The community includes traders at various experience levels, which creates a collaborative but sometimes noisy environment. New members report information overload initially, while experienced members value the idea flow and diverse perspectives.
Performance Analysis
Aziz trades live in the chatroom, providing real-time transparency — you see him enter and exit trades with commentary. This is stronger verification than self-reported results but weaker than independently audited records. The specific P&L is visible during sessions but not compiled into an independently verified track record.
The VWAP and ORB strategies have genuine theoretical backing. VWAP represents the average price weighted by volume and acts as a institutional-level reference point. ORB captures the volatility expansion that often follows the market's first few minutes. Academic studies on these concepts support their informational value, though profitably trading them consistently requires skill and execution speed.
The same caveat from Investors Underground applies: the lead trader's performance doesn't represent the average member's experience. Day trading failure rates are well-documented — studies consistently show that 70-90% of retail day traders lose money over time. BBT's education improves odds but doesn't eliminate the fundamental difficulty.
Subscriber feedback praises the educational structure (clearer progression than many chatrooms) and Aziz's teaching style. The criticism focuses on the gap between watching successful trades in the chatroom and replicating them in your own account — execution timing, slippage, and psychological pressure all reduce real results compared to observed results.
Strengths
- Well-defined methodology — VWAP and ORB strategies have theoretical backing and clear, teachable rules
- Andrew Aziz's educational approach is structured and progressive — better learning path than most chatrooms
- Live trading transparency — Aziz trades in real time with visible entries, exits, and reasoning
- Best-selling book serves as a comprehensive written foundation for the chatroom strategies
- Community includes traders at various levels, creating a collaborative learning environment
- Two pricing tiers accommodate different commitment levels and budgets
Weaknesses
- Chatroom format means signal clarity is poor — no structured alerts, just live conversational commentary
- Day trading requires full market-hours commitment — not suitable for traders with day jobs
- Gap between observing successful trades and replicating them is significant — execution timing and slippage reduce real results
- Day trading failure rates are 70-90% — the education improves odds but doesn't overcome fundamental difficulty
- Equities-only focus with no coverage of forex, futures, options, or crypto
- Risk management is taught conceptually but not enforced — subscribers can and do overtrade and overleverage
Pricing & Value
BBT offers two tiers: Basic ($99/month) for chatroom access and recorded education, and Premium ($199/month) adding live trading sessions, advanced courses, and direct moderator interaction. The pricing is competitive with Investors Underground ($297/quarter ≈ $99/month) and below Warrior Trading ($197/month).
The value depends heavily on engagement level. Active daily participants who treat it as a full trading environment get substantial value. Occasional visitors who check in a few times per week get very little — the chatroom's value is concentrated in live market hours.
For comparison: Aziz's book costs ~$15 and covers the core VWAP and ORB concepts. Whether the additional $99-199/month for the chatroom and community is worth it depends on whether you learn better through live interaction than through self-study.
How It Compares
Against Investors Underground (#17), BBT offers a more structured educational approach and cleaner methodology focus (VWAP and ORB specifically). IU has more emphasis on short selling and momentum trading. BBT's community tends toward newer traders; IU's tends toward more experienced ones. Both are legitimate day trading communities — the choice is stylistic.
Against standalone signal services, BBT (like all chatrooms) trades time for specificity. Signal services give you exact trades to follow in seconds. BBT requires hours of screen time during market hours to extract trade ideas. If you can't commit that time, a signal service is more practical.
Against Aziz's book alone, the chatroom adds live demonstration, community accountability, and moderator idea flow. Whether these additions justify $99-199/month on top of a $15 book depends on your learning style and available time.
The honest positioning: BBT is a solid day trading community with clear methodology and good educational structure. It's not a signal service, and evaluating it as one undersells its educational value while overselling its signal delivery.
Who Is This For?
Aspiring or developing day traders who want structured education in VWAP and ORB strategies within a live trading community. Best for those who can dedicate full market hours to screen time and learn well through real-time observation and interaction.
Not ideal for part-time traders, anyone wanting structured signal delivery, traders focused on non-equity markets, or those seeking passive income from trading without substantial time investment.
Our Verdict
Bear Bull Traders earns #24 as a well-structured day trading community with clear methodology and effective educational progression. Andrew Aziz's teaching approach — book foundation plus live chatroom application — is a sensible model for day trading education.
The ranking reflects chatroom limitations rather than quality criticism: poor signal clarity (conversational format), time commitment requirements (full market hours), and the fundamental difficulty of day trading. These are category constraints, not BBT-specific failures.
For traders committed to learning VWAP and ORB day trading with community support, BBT is among the best options. For traders wanting signals they can follow without dedicating their entire day, the structured services ranked above will serve better.